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Casey Surrogate vs. Casey Surrogate

Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 08:28:10 AM PDT

A funny thing happened on my way to speaking before the Dauphin County Democrats this past Sunday in Harrisburg.  I had just arrived for my 3:30 p.m. speaking engagement when a campaign volunteer told me that my stage time would be delayed for a few minutes.  Lieutenant Governor Catherine Baker Knoll had unexpectedly shown up and was addressing the 75 or so Democrats who were enduring the summer swelter along the Susquehanna River.

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After Ms. Knoll's discussion of her good works on behalf of Pennsylvanians and Governor Ed Rendell, I approached her to introduce myself and to present her with my campaign card.  "Nice to meet you, Lieutenant Governor, my name is Chuck Pennacchio and I'm running for Pennsylvania's U.S. Senate seat in 2006."  Her only words for me were, "Why are you running against Bobby Casey?"

Before I could respond to Ms. Knoll, County Chair Jim Young started to introduce me  to the assembled crowdBut Lt. Gov. Knoll interrupted Mr. Young and offered to speak on behalf of Robert Casey Jr.'s Senate campaign.

Okay, I thought to myself, this could be interesting.  I was not to be disappointed.

After lauding the Casey family for their years of service to our Commonwealth, Ms. Knoll chose to speak directly to only one policy issue: a woman's right to choose under the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court ruling.

(By way of background, former Governor Robert Casey, Sr.'s anti-choice legal battle [Planned Parenthood v. Casey v., 1992] resulted in new restrictions on the 1973 Roe decision.  Fortunately, however, the constitutionally guaranteed principle of privacy rights that underlies a woman's control over her reproduction remains intact to this day.  Unfortuantely, that fundamental right is threatened by both Mr. Casey and incumbent Senator Rick Santorum.

Having retaken the microphone, Lieutenant Governor Knoll chose her words very carefully.  Specifically addressing "women in NARAL and EMILY's List," she said that Bob Casey would not "fight to overturn Roe v. Wade" in the United States Senate.  In "private meetings," she shared, Mr. Casey provides his audiences with such assurances.

That's curious, I thought, since my campaign staff has exhaustively researched Bob Casey Jr's positions on abortion rights, and many other social, economic, and foreign policy questions.  On abortion rights, Mr. Casey consistently states his intention to continue his family's efforts to overturn on Roe v. Wade -- exactly as his father had done during his two terms as governor.  In fact, Casey, Jr's most recent public pronouncement on abortion rights came on March 20, and can be found at:

http://www.newsmakersgroup.com/worldview/index.php?id=13

(The program on which Mr. Casey appeared, "Worldview," is a nationally-syndicated Christian-oriented television program hosted by Jerry Bowyer.)

In contrast, other Casey supporters take him at his word when he publicly opposes a woman's right to choose. The 2004 Democratic Senate candidate, Joe Hoeffel, acknowledges Casey's core pro-life/anti-choice position.  For months, in fact, Mr. Hoeffel has repeated this same statement about Bob Casey, Jr: "On all issues other than a woman's right to choose, Bob Casey is a progressive Democrat."

And for months I have kept my powder dry while our campaign documented Mr. Casey's truly conservative profile on critical issues such as stem cell research, the death penalty, the U.S. policy in Iraq, the assault weapons ban, separation of church and state, living wage legislation, universal health care, GLBT rights, preserving an independent judiciary (Terry Schiavo case), and drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.  So, for Mr. Hoeffel to argue Mr. Casey is "progressive" on "all issues" other than choice is an extraordinary stretch.  Such a stretch, in fact, that Mr. Hoeffel has mostly backed away  from making such claims.  In addition, Mr. Hoeffel should be credited for his honesty on Mr. Casey's opposition to a woman's right to choose and his determination to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Returning to Harrisburg and Lt. Gov. Knoll's "reverse spin" -- where she didn't challenge my claims to being the only progressive on all issues other than a woman's right to choose -- but literally heckled me ("No, that's not true, that's not true!") when I correctly said that I was the only candidate  committed to upholding a woman's right to choose.

So here I was facing down a Casey representative (Ms. Knoll) who presented precisely the opposite message as the one I and others had been hearing from Joe Hoeffel since March.

One of the dangers in running a virtual stealth campaign, as Mr. Casey has chosen to do thus far, is that surrogates who are left to define the candidate may contradict each other.  Therefore, Ms. Knoll, meet Mr. Hoeffel.  Mr. Hoeffel, meet Ms. Knoll.

Rather than have Mr. Casey's surrogates continue debating each other over just how conservative his views are, I have a better idea.  Mr. Casey and I should have a real debate  about the future of our party, our state, and our nation.  In fact, let's have a series of debates starting this fall so that Democrats can understand the clear choice they will have between me and Mr. Casey in the Democratic primary.  

Oh, and to answer Ms. Knoll's earlier question --"Why [am I] running against Bobby Casey?"  The short answer is that I'm the only Democrat who can beat Rick Santorum without compromising our party's core commitments to choice, equality, opportunity, and reform.  

The longer answer is that I have the best chance to beat Rick Santorum because my campaign stands for the progressive principles and participatory politics that will mobilize voters who would otherwise stay home in 2006.  My campaign has the best chance to attract the millions of Pennsylvanians who want a new direction in Iraq, and an unwavering commitment to equal rights, universal health care, and economic opportunity for all Americans.  By contrast, my opponent's campaign represents the same old politics as usual approach that has led to Pennsylvania Democrats losing 14 consecutive full-term U.S. Senate races, dating back to 1962!  I understand that the only way to beat Rick Santorum is stand up to him, not to mimic him. Because I have worked for and with several winning Senate candidates (Alan Cranston, Tom Harkin, Tim Wirth, and Paul Simon) I know what it will take to succeed in 2006. Winning campaigns are about far more than name recognition and fund raising numbers this far from election day.  Winning Senate campaigns are primarily about organizing, messaging, party-building, motivating, and touching people's hearts.  My campaign is built to win -- and fight for core American values -- in 2006 and beyond.

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  •  Thank you (4.00 / 6)

    for the diary and for running. PA needs a competitive democratic primary to promote our platform and gear up to defeat Rick Santorum.
    •  Thank you (4.00 / 16)

      You bet.  After a summer of constant travel, I'll be back on line a lot more.

      Let's keep it going.  Thnaks for spreading the word.  Yes, Pennsylvania does have a Democratic Primary Election next May!

      •  And future Sen. Pennachio, (3.53 / 13)

        Please disregard all the rude people who will post below.

        You would think all Democratic Candidates would be treated well here, especially the one's who stand up for Progressive values. Sadly, we've been infiltrated by alot of Operatives from the right wing of the Party and their minions who don't have the sense God gave a horse, if they did they would treat a Democratic Primary candidate better than they treat you.

        I look forward to seeing more of you here and will keep sending you money for fighting the good fight of Progressive Democrats everywhere.

        Liberal Streetfighter: Left-wing served al dente.

        by wilfred on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 12:05:45 PM PDT

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      •  Mr. Pennacchio.. (4.00 / 2)

        First off, let me start by saying THANK YOU. You are the second candidate to post here (that I can remember), and actually stick around to have a dialogue with the 'community' as it is.

        We need more like you. We won't all agree on everything, as the so-called 'big tent' party, it would be impossible. However, I'll take someone who I disagree with on a few issuse, but who will talk to me about them all the same any day over someone who just spits out a few well crafted lines and doesn't stick around to back them up.

        I do apologize for some of the assholishness I'm sure you've seen, but damn if you didn't stick around through it and tackle their issues head on. I'm impressed. Very impressed.

        When I crap, I always refer to it as "taking a Bush". - Underground Pirate of Crooks and Liars.

        by Disillusioned on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 01:06:06 PM PDT

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      •  asdf (none / 0)

        Finally had a chance to read this and sorry that your speaking engagement did not go as planned.
  •  Sorry to hear that (none / 1)

    Hoeffel is supporting Casey.  Why do we keep rejecting Democracy in favor of Dynasty?

    What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

    by Marie on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 08:40:28 AM PDT

    •  huh? (none / 0)

      Joe has always and consistently supported Bob Casey Jr.  It was his belief that Bobby was the best candidate we had which persuaded him not to run in 2006 as he had been planning.

      The notion, expressed by Mr. Pennacchio, that Joe has backed away from his support, is ludicrous.

      •  Very true (none / 0)

        As soon as Hoefell dropped out of the race, he threw his support behind Casey.

        John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for a century.

        by jkfp2004 on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 09:02:30 AM PDT

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      •  That is not what he said at all. Read it again. (none / 0)

        Hoeffel is open about Casey's stances on women's rights, he still is.  Pennacchio appears to be saying that the two who are advocating for Casey need to get their stories straight.

        And he is right.  

        "I'm willing to say things that are not popular but ordinary people know are right." Howard Dean

        by floridagal on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 09:07:13 AM PDT

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      •  Chuck Schumer (none / 1)

        actually said that they cleared the field for Casey by convincing the other candidates not to run.  These quotes have been all over the internet.  

        Pennacchio for Pennsylvania

        by PAprogressive on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 12:38:54 PM PDT

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        •  In fundraising letters (none / 1)

          Chuck Schumer

          for the DSCC Schumer has been grotesque enough to brag on this accomplishment. Imagine my replies....

          •  Here's one of Schumer's statement:s (4.00 / 5)

            Taped at a private party:

            "So I called up Governor...our number one target is Rick Santorum...let him go back to wherever he lives, Maryland, you know you heard about it, he is Pennsylvania but he tried to get exempt from the school tax there cause he lives in Maryland even though he is a registered citizen of Pennsylvania. In any case I called up the Governor of Pennsylvania, Governor Rendell, I said who is the best candidate to beat Santorum. He there is only one person who could beat him but A he won't run and B you wouldn't want him to run. I said why wouldn't we want him to run, he said he's pro-life. He's a deeply religious Catholic man. Bob Casey."

            "I said, those days are over Ed. Yes I'm pro-choice, but we need the best candidate. We can't insist that every democrat check off 18 different issues before they get (unintelligible) we could do that, we can't anymore. And so, we persuaded, Harry using his very...Harry has amazing insights into people...and we together persuaded Bob Casey to run. A poll yesterday...national...all the polls they did...Casey 51 Santorum 40. You should see Santorum nervous and walkin on the floor."

            (unintelligible)

            "And we're doing this in the other states."

            A link to the audio of this bragging here.

      •  Ludicrous? (none / 0)

        I didn't read, in CHuck's statement, that Hoeffel has backed away from supporting Casey, only that Hoeffel has backed away from calling Casey a progressive. Are you defending Hoeffel and supporting Casey, because I have not made up my mind yet in the 8th. Congressional district who I'm supporting. But I have decided to support Pennacchio, as have MOST of the progressive activists I know who live in the district you are running in. We should talk some time. I'd like to get to know you better.
      •  Bobby? (none / 0)

        Okay, lol.

        "Joey"  hasn't always been behind Casey, in fact he was going to run against him until he was talked out of it by Rendell and other party insiders.  "Joey" is being a good soldier because he thinks it will help him in his next race.  Unfortunately most of his support the last time he ran is going to be turned off by his new found insider loyalty since last time he ran (and did well considering Spector is pro-choice and also has the support of the biggest union in the state).

    •  Sorry to hear... (3.00 / 3)

      According to Joe Hoeffel himself, it's all part of his personal "calculus."  
      •  While this is a bit (4.00 / 5)

        over the top -- it's a little bit like McCain kissing GWB in the hope of getting more support for the Party if he chooses to run for POTUS again.

        Joe would have had a good chance to take out Spector if the PA DEM Party had been behind him earlier and stepped in with money.

        This is the problem with being so far down, that just winning looks like up.  Casey Jr. brings little to the table but favorable name recognition (and lots of voters will think they're voting for his father as many thought they were doing in 2000 when they threw their initial support to Bush).  Santorum is so weak that if the Democratic Party were functional, this would not be the race to compromise on by rallying around someone out of step with core principles.  Short-term gains that ignore the long-term is part of how the DEM Party came to find themselves so powerless -- and at the national level the Democratic voice is still so undefined.

        What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

        by Marie on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 11:26:54 AM PDT

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      •  Quite true Chuck (4.00 / 4)

        I met up with Joe at Drinking liberally Philadelphia, and asked him point blank about his support for Casey.  I also called him out on casey's gun stance, which is to the right of Santorum (this was news to joe, but it's also true).

        All Joe could say was he thinks Casey has the best chance to beat Santorum.  I disagree and will be supporting you in the primary.

  •  Just attack Santorum (4.00 / 6)

    Scream it from the Mountain tops.  That man is worthless.

    John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for a century.

    by jkfp2004 on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 08:40:36 AM PDT

    •  Not just worthless....but scary... (4.00 / 3)

      He is a very strange person.....the story of the dead baby (fetus) going home with his family...taking pictures of it...THAT was very strange, in my opinion.

      His views are demented and backward.

      The 7 Commandments are abridged for the last time, simply reading, "All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others."

      by califdweller on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 08:45:24 AM PDT

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    •  Attack Santorum (4.00 / 5)

      Thanks.  In fact, I'm the only Democrat to campaign consistently and the only one who goes after Santorum relentlessly.
      •  Also (3.33 / 3)

        Please stop the Casey bashing.  I know you guys have honest disagreements with him on some issues, but he is a democrat.  The more we go after ourselves, the easier the Republicans have it.

        John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for a century.

        by jkfp2004 on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 10:47:01 AM PDT

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        •  bashing? (4.00 / 8)

          Chuck is pointing out differences on the issues - some quite major. Are you saying he can't/shouldn't do that or are you saying that he's attacking in some other way? If you're saying he shouldn't differentiate himself by pointing out where they disagree on the issues, then sorry, I disagree. If the latter, please provide an example.

          Blue Jersey: All the news that slips from print.

          by jmelli on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 10:54:20 AM PDT

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          •  And Pro-Choice is a Core Issue (4.00 / 3)

            I mean, if he wanted to drill in ANWR, that's one thing.  Saying you will dedicate yourself to overthrowing a woman's right to choose?  Sorry, if you believe in that bs, you're not a Democrat.  Simple.
        •  "we go after ourselves" = what? (none / 1)

          we can't disagree?

          oh, I understand - we are supposed to shut and follow our leaders !!

          I remember !! Leaders are in charge cuz, this being a meritocracy, they are better than me!! therefore, I shouldn't question anyone cuz then the thugs will attack us...

          lets get back to reality - the thugs

          will ALWAYS attack !!
          will NEVER quit attacking !!

          I know a lot of us are in politics to make the world a nicer place, but, if we play nice we ain't gonna win, and the mean people are gonna win.  

          It ain't nice, but politics ain't Mr. Roger's neighborhood.

          rmm.

        •  Bashing Casey and the DLC (none / 0)

          Casey is a lousy choice for candidate. He's the DLC's man and it pisses me off that Schumer and his DLC friends are dictating who will run against Santorum. Casey looked good against Rendell, then lost a huge lead, bigger than he has against Santorum, in the last 30 days of that campaign. Casey is A LOSER and will lose to Santorum. The DLC will never learn the lesson the Kerry campaign taught, that you don't win running republican-look-alikes.

          Here's the latest article I wrote on my attitude towards the DLC

          Real Democrats Must Burn Down the DLC, To Keep It From Burning Them

        •  What Casey bashing? (none / 0)

          Casey has no special dispensation.  There is no hands off stating facts about the other candidate rule in Pennsylvania.
    •  ABB (none / 0)

      ABB didn't work in 2004 and ABS isn't going to work in 2006.  But worse than that, you are NOT going to be able to sell ABS to democrats because they were burned by the Kerry fiasco.
      Mr Electable just isn't a good sell anymore and democrats are waking up to the game of demonizing the republican to sell them Mr Electable next white guy in line.
  •  Well... (none / 0)

    Don't let them back into your corner...

    Altho I have a feeling the fix is prolly in for Casey..
    Who knows though...

    Dr. Dean...Paging Dr. Dean...he's not on-call you say...then get me DR. MATT!! STAT!!!

    by doctormatt06 on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 08:46:41 AM PDT

  •  Wow (1.76 / 21)

    Can you even afford to supply the campaign with Internet access with the 20,000 you raised last quarter?
  •  Pennsylvania has elected and re-elected (2.16 / 6)

    two Republican senators. Your views are hardly ideal for the state. Try running for mayor of Philly first.

    (-2.38, -3.28) Independent thinker

    by TrueBlueDem on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 08:56:04 AM PDT

    •  Shared concern (4.00 / 2)

      My knowledge of PA politics has mostly been learned here on the Kos, but as of about two weeks I'll be voting in Philly so I look forward to learning the ins and outs these campaigns.

      What has been bothering me about Pennochio's campaign for some time is that it seems that Casey has a strong chance of taking the Senate seat and Chuck would face two uphill battles.  I am all for fighting the uphill battles but it seems that there are a lot of House seats which are in for a good fight, especially in the Philly suburbs and I would like to see all the energy and fight I see from Tim and Chuck going to winning back the house starting with the Philly suburbs.  I imagine that is what I'll be working on when I get there.

      My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
      Philly for Obama

      by Luam on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 10:15:18 AM PDT

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    •  Electing Senators (4.00 / 9)

      Thanks for the advice, but I live in rural Pennsylvania.

      As for electing Democrats, the last two voted in (Joe Clark, 1962, and Harris Wofford, 1991, special election) were BOTH progressives.

      My message is resonating with D's, R's, and I's.  Come join me on the trail sometime.

    •  Do you want to know Why we keep electing Reps? (none / 0)

      Because the party keeps running anti-choice candidates against Santorum and FAILING TO SUPPORT candidate with the guts to run against Spector.
  •  would casey vote to confirm extremist judges? (4.00 / 1)

    i dont think so!  would that preserve a woman's right to choose?  YES!!!  how about casey's labor stance, chuck?  or are you going to try and spin his pro-labor record into an anti-labor record?  and havent you been reading his campaign manager's comments about rick's new book?  not once have i heard the casey campaign endorse ANYTHING rick santorum has said, and since you insist that bob casey is no better than rick santorum, how can he be no better than rick yet disagree with nearly everything santorum says?  the democratic party is a big tent party.  we are allowed to hav pro-life members.  

    i think i'll go give more money to casey.  in fact everytime i see a post like this i will give money to casey.  thanks chuck!

    I heard there are rumors...on the...a...internets...

    by RumorsOnTheInternets on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 08:59:32 AM PDT

    •  Are you saying Casey's opponents shouldn't post? (4.00 / 7)

      I hope not. It was a well thought out post, and I appreciate it.

      "I'm willing to say things that are not popular but ordinary people know are right." Howard Dean

      by floridagal on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 09:03:45 AM PDT

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    •  Harry Reid v. Lincoln Chafee (4.00 / 5)

      Reid is against abortion rights and voted against Janice Rogers Brown. Chafee is pro-choice and voted for Janice Rogers Brown. So yeah, the situation is not so clear cut.
      •  Please stop using Harry Reid as the example... (4.00 / 4)

        By virture of his position in the leadership, his situation is not comparable.  He HAS TO vote that way on important legislation/confirmations or he will have no ability to keep the caucus and the "Bob Caseys of the world" in line when votes are cast.

        Tim

        •  Um, that's not quite right (none / 0)

          The leadership has quite a bit of influence on individual Senators - offering of committee positions, nice parking spots, big offices, not to mention access to DSCC organization, etc. In exchange, he is a guaranteed vote for Patrick Leahy to chair the Judiciary Committee. Granted, I'd be surprised if Casey is as loyal as Reid, but he won't vote against the Democrats on people like Janice Rogers Brown - he will probably break ranks more often than others, but not often enough to be a huge risk on judicial nominees
      •  OTOH, (4.00 / 5)

        Reid is against abortion rights and voted against Janice Rogers Brown.

         Reid has a 100% score from DFL which means he voted with Zell Miller on every bit of extremist anti-woman legislation before the Senate last session. I wouldn't be using Harry Reid as an example of a trustworthy Democrat on women's issues.

    •  Would Casey vote to confirm extremist judges? (4.00 / 8)

      Let's have a face-to-face debate and find that out.  Because running from one's own politics never got them elected.

      As for labor stands, I'm the only one commited to universal health care, a living wage, and opposition to NAFTA, CAFTA, and WTO.  I am a labor union member (American Association of University Prof's) and a former labor organizer.  Moreover, I don't take PAC money from anti-labor, corporate givers.  Check out opensecrets.org for the real lowdown.

      In terms of similarities between Mr. Casey and Mr. Santorum, first, I hope you'll take the 12 minutes it requires to see Mr. Casey's one and only electronic interview since announcing.

      http://www.newsmakersgroup.com/worldview/index.php?id=13

      Then you'll see firsthand his Santorum-like positions on social issues, including a woman's right to choose and stem cell research.

      Fact is, I'm the only candidate campaigning for equal rights, environmental protection, separation of church and state, and winding down the insane American War in Iraq.

    •  We have repeatedly produced evidence (none / 1)

      i dont think so!  would that preserve a woman's right to choose?  YES!!!

       that the DLF crowd votes for 'extremist judges' and, for that matter, extremist legislation and have absolutely no intention of 'preserving a woman's right to choose'. None. They are allied with the religious right on issues affecting control over the reproductive lives (and therefore sex lives) of women. This is reality and no number of hysterical posts with many exclamation points will change that.
      DFL's web page is quite clear about their intentions. This particular spin is so outrageous and dishonest and there is so much evidence contradicting it that I feel it's necessary to point out reality every once in awhile.

    •  Why not, many democrats to the left of him do (none / 0)

      why wouldn't he also vote for extremist judges?
  •  Thanks for posting here. (4.00 / 12)

    I find it odd that she actually upstaged you when you were apparently invited to speak, and she just showed up.

    I hate it that when you post here you get attacked by some.  I think it shows what we will be facing next year in a lot of cases.  There is still the attitude of "you should not cross the establishment."

    It exists in Florida as well as in your state.  It is unfortunate, as there is very little questioning of candidates who vote against our interests.  

    I don't live in PA, but I do have an intense interest in the campaign.  If Casey wins, my rights as a woman could be affected. My daughters' rights to birth control could be affected.  Casey does not believe in the morning after pill, and he does not believe in funding stem cell research beyond the 2001 level.

    Any votes he would make in this area affect me as a human being and as a person.  Thus it does become my business.  

    Keep posting here, a lot of us are watching.  I believe a lot of the progressive community are sort of lying in wait to donate...as many fear there will be intense pressure on you to drop out.  

    Again, thanks. Keep posting and braving the attacks on you.  What you have to say is of interest.  

    "I'm willing to say things that are not popular but ordinary people know are right." Howard Dean

    by floridagal on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 09:02:25 AM PDT

    •  It's not about "the establishment" (2.66 / 3)

      It's this: how seriously can we take a candidate who raised less in three months than what Casey raised in an average day last quarter ($21,932 v. $21,637), especially when Santorum raised even three times that during the same period.
      •  Many of us are willing to donate... (4.00 / 7)

        but we are still expecting he will be "strongly urged" to drop out.

        I am amazed at the lack of respect at this forum when a candidate posts.  It absolutely blows my mind.

        I know some others who are holding off posting because of the ugliness toward non-establishment candidates here.  You need to do some research on this.  

        "I'm willing to say things that are not popular but ordinary people know are right." Howard Dean

        by floridagal on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 09:09:55 AM PDT

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        •  Agreed (4.00 / 8)

          It's a shame that an open forum of dialogue (kos posts) isn't used more often for candidates to be  literate on their talking points. This post is a respectful, well laid out airing of grievences for the actions of the opposition during his campain.

          I don't think he is being distasteful in laying the framework for his position and getting a little financial support along the way.

          Once again, how can we expect to be strong as a party on the national level if we are pitted against each other so visciously at the locally?

          "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell

          by txdem21 on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 10:30:56 AM PDT

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        •  "Strongly urged"? (none / 1)

          At this level of fundraising, why would anyone bother?
          •  Just wait, it is still early on. (none / 1)

            You are not needing me to point out that some rudeness is over the line.

            "I'm willing to say things that are not popular but ordinary people know are right." Howard Dean

            by floridagal on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 11:04:59 AM PDT

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          •  Exactly (none / 1)

            Just don't bother urging him to do anything. We all know what will probably happen. Pennachio will go around for 12 months, making some good speeches, firing up the base, and making absolutely no money and gaining very little in the polls. If we're lucky, he'll register some new voters in the process, and woo some Greens to become Dems. Then, with a month or so before the primary, he'll drop out, because then it will become all too clear that he won't get the nomination. He'll either run for a smaller office (maybe House or State Senate), or maybe get a position in state administration, or do something in order to possibly set up a sub-cabinet position (And yes, considering his background, he'd be a very interesting junior UnderSecretary of State or something, which might set him up for a real run). Meanwhile, though, there's really no reason to attack him. Not because it's mean, though it is, a little bit. But because it's a waste of time. Consider him like a better Kucinich - he'll grow the party at no cost to us. As long as he endorses the nominee, I have no problem with him
      •  Oh, but it is. (3.91 / 24)

        Casey is a disaster.

        His line of thought that we "blur" the differences between the Republican and Democrats and hope name ID, a pretty family, and a favorable rating difference carries the day is maddening and a disaster for the future of the Democratic Party.  The fact that this race will be watched more than any other in the country will only serve to confuse even more people about what our message is.  Casey will, in part, define the Democratic Party going into 2008.  And he was at it again today:

        Casey faces his own challenges, among them finding a position that portrays him as neither an antiwar defeatist nor a passive war supporter.

        On the major Iraq votes - authorizing force and funding the operation - Casey said he would have supported those measures, just as Santorum did. Another Democrat in the race, Bucks County professor Chuck Pennacchio, said he would have voted against the use of force.

        That is vintage Casey, and it sucks.  It's not about principle--it's about polling.  Finding that position that doesn't portray him as standing for anything.  He will not win this race against Santorum--only Santorum will lose it for himself.  And unfortunately, that is the actual strategy right now.

        That's part of the reason I am pulling so hard for Hackett to run in Ohio--elevating that as the national race is kind of like anti-Casey insurance.

        Tim

        •  Thanks Tim! (4.00 / 14)

          You said it better than I could have.

          Casey is not a partisan Democrat.  He is another Democrat who will move to the right to appear to be in the center.  The only issue he appears to have a strong view on - the right to privacy, including choice - he is on the wrong side of!

          I want partisan Democrats who will draw sharp distinctions between ourselves and Republicans. Why vote for Casey and get Republican Lite when you can vote for Santorum and get the real deal?

          Stop violence against women!

          by AndyT on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 09:27:42 AM PDT

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        •  What about Democrats for Life? (4.00 / 4)

          Tim, I'm not sure if this is useful but I think Democrats need to be told exactly what many of the pro-life candidates are in this party.  Casey's father was instrumental in the development and success of the Democrats for Life organization.   The agenda of this group is appallingly anti-women's rights.  They are extreme enough to believe life starts at conception.  They are the rightwing dressed up with a D.

          Most voters don't know who they are or what they are doing within our party.  Women are called a 'special interest group' every time we rally against pro-life candidates like Casey and Langevin, who by the way is on the advisory board of DFL, they need to be outted for who they are.

          DFL is extremist enough to make a valuable point, this is what you vote for if you vote for Casey.

          I will not die an unlived life. Not in fear, I will live out loud and on the record. Domestic Violence Hotline 1-800-799-SAFE (7233) 1-800-787-3224 (TTY)

          by caliberal on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 01:16:06 PM PDT

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          •  Please (none / 0)

            Don't call them "pro-life"

            Please read the article on so called Wisconsin "ProLife" making life miserable for a soldier's widow, because she obeyed his instructions which he had conveyed in a living will, as he did not want to suffer, hooked up to machines.

            I have concluded that rather than "Pro Life" they are Sado-Masochists who are also against Abortion.  They ENJOY watching diabetics,paraplegics, Parkinson's victims, Alzheimer's victims, and brain-injured people Suffering, with no hope from stem-cell research, and not even the out of a living will.

            I would love to see Casey spell out exactly where he sits on contraception, stem cell, and living wills.  It's a joke that he claims to be pro life when he is hot on Iraq, guns and the death penalty.

            Good Luck Chuck!

      •  The Establishment (4.00 / 5)

        Thanks for the comment.

        Well, you, Lt. Gov. Knoll, and Mr. Hoeffel take me seriously enough to try to divert the topic away from issues, honesty, and our winning campaign organization.  And, speaking of "politicians for sale," I am the only candidate to advocate comprehensive campaign finance reform.

      •  Establishment (3.50 / 6)

        If not to the "establishment" -- to what do you attribute Casey's fundraising advantage?

        Maybe the fact that folks on progressive blogs marginalize progressive candidates as annoying distractions to the "establishment" candidates?

        The treatment of Chuck P. on this blog by some is disgusting.

        Fine if you don't lke Chuck as a person or don't agree with his views, but c'mon!  Its a freakin' primary.  He has every right to participate.

        Frankly, if progressive bloggers like Markos, Duncan, Jerome, etc. (and maybe even Howard Dean) got behind Chuck P. he'd be a force to be reckoned with.

        But marginalizing him on the theory that his "ideas" must not be "selling" based on fundraising is simplistic in the most absurd extreme.

        IMHO, it is all about "establishment."

        John McCain a/k/a John Sidney "Grampy McSame"

        by MRL on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 12:43:56 PM PDT

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        •  Hey Mark D? (none / 0)

          Stop lurking and come out of the woodwork.

          I could give a fnck about my TU status, but if you feel the need to troll rate my posts at least have the decency to articulate your ideas, you coward.

          One comment on dKos and a bunch of troll ratings, does not a good member of the community make.

          Pray tell why you disagree with me so much.

          Or, GTFO.

          John McCain a/k/a John Sidney "Grampy McSame"

          by MRL on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 02:19:11 PM PDT

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          •  Sticks and Stones (none / 1)

            Since you've decided to take my rating of "unproductive" as a reason to attack me.  i will start this post by setting the facts straight.  
            First:
            "One comment on dKos and a bunch of troll ratings, does not a good member of the community make."

            True I've only made one comment during the month of August and I haven't made a lot of comments in the past.  I don't normally have a lot of time to post to blogs.  As for the way I rate comments you are distorting the facts.  I've used the (1) unproductive rating 3 whole times during the past month.  That's compared to over 50 (4)s that I have given out.  If you take an even closer look you will find that all 3 (1)s that I have given out are on comments made to this diary.  I gave 2 of the (1)s, including the rating I gave to you, because I'm tired of all the throwing stones at people that are skeptical of Chuck's ability to run any more than a vanity campaign.  I live in Pennsylvania and I am very concerned about the election in 2006, but I don't think basing a campaign on being a victim is going to win over very many voters in PA.  Attacking people for not jumping on the bandwagon is also not going to win many coverts.  To win you need to be able to inspire people and be able to answer criticism. A perfect example is the question of fundraising.  The ability to show progress in fundraising, provides evidence of a campaign's ability to sell it's message to voters. If you can't show a snowballing effect of fundraising when you are an insurgent candidate, then I think the viability of a campaign is in question.  Howard Dean wasn't called people powered Howard for his ability to raise funds from the establishment. So instead of ridiculing concerns about fundraising, show me how Chuck is making progress.
            •  I changed my mind . . (none / 0)

              . . . go back to lurking.

              You did nothing to clarify why you gave my post an "unproductive rating."  In fact, you said nothing about my post.

              Your gripe seems to be with Chuck.  Fine.  Thanks for taking it out on me.

              I gave 2 of the (1)s, including the rating I gave to you, because I'm tired of all the throwing stones at people that are skeptical of Chuck's ability to run any more than a vanity campaign.

              Did you even read my post?  I commented on a(n incorrect) assertion that Casey's fundraising advantage had "nothing" do with the fact that he was "establishment."

              I live in Pennsylvania and I am very concerned about the election in 2006, but I don't think basing a campaign on being a victim is going to win over very many voters in PA.

              And that's your perogative.  But it doesn't really address the point I made, critiquing the denial of Casey's "establishment" advantage.

              Attacking people for not jumping on the bandwagon is also not going to win many coverts.

              I'm not sure where I ever said or implied this.

              To win you need to be able to inspire people and be able to answer criticism.

              So far, the "critique" of Chuck that I've heard is "you are highlighting Casey's lack of progressive views."  IMHO, you don't need to "answer" this.  And, as you read here, he answers it the same way I have -- "I'm merely pointing out that Casey is not progressive.

              A perfect example is the question of fundraising.  The ability to show progress in fundraising, provides evidence of a campaign's ability to sell it's message to voters.

              Or, as I've asserted, its a function of name recognition and "establishment" connections.  You can disagree with it, but its difficult to se how it is "unproductive" to disagree with you on this point.

              If you can't show a snowballing effect of fundraising when you are an insurgent candidate, then I think the viability of a campaign is in question.

              Agreed.  But that's not (as far as I can tell) a point that anyone here is disagreeing with.

              Howard Dean wasn't called people powered Howard for his ability to raise funds from the establishment.

              And this has to do with the fact that Casey enjoys an "establishment" advantage that translates into fundraising dollars how?

              So instead of ridiculing concerns about fundraising, show me how Chuck is making progress.

              WTF does this mean?  I don't see where I "ridiculed" concerns about fundraising.  What I did suggest is that YOU and others here are not powerless in terms of a candidate that you like or agree with based on cash.  YOU CAN give that person money.  That is, as you so aptly recognize, how Dean raised money.

              What I am suggesting is that just saying that Pennachio is not raising money is beside the point.  Give money to who you like and see how it shakes out. You have an option to stop being a lemming and follow you want, not who others want.  Christ, did you NOT listen to Dean?  "YOU HAVE THE POWER."  That's all I'm saying.

              If you don't like Chuck P., fine.  That also is your perogative.  But back off the guy for saying that he is progressive and that he thinks he deserves the support of PA progressives.  You can disagree.

              But, for crying out loud, leave people alone who are defending his right to do that without being ridiculed or harassed.

              Ah, whatever.  Thanks for actually taking the time to respond.

              Enjoy your lurking.

              MRL

              P.S.  Don't follow that lemming in front of you off the cliff.  If Casey makes you want to jump on your own. Great.  Don't do it because its what the "cool kids" are doing.  That's all I'm saying.

              P.P.S.  If you don't think Casey enjoys a fundraising advantage becuase of establishment contacts and name advantage, you are high.  Just my $0.02.

              John McCain a/k/a John Sidney "Grampy McSame"

              by MRL on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 09:25:03 PM PDT

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              •  BooHoo (none / 1)

                OK, I tried to tell you what I thought by allowing you to read between the lines, and giving you hints, but that didn't work.  So I'll cut to the chase, your post(s) and attitude come across as whiny and thin skinned.  Instead of giving productive comments about why you think people should support Chuck, all you did was whine.  You whined:  

                "The treatment of Chuck P. on this blog by some is disgusting."
                 Where's the proof of that?  From your statement you would think that someone accused Chuck of mistreating small animals and children.
                You also whined that:
                "Frankly, if progressive bloggers like Markos, Duncan, Jerome, etc. (and maybe even Howard Dean) got behind Chuck P. he'd be a force to be reckoned with."
                BooHoo the progressive bloggers haven't supported Chuck.  You should be posting reasons why they should be supporting Chuck, instead of whining that they don't.
                I could go on and on, but I don't have a lot of time to post.  To sum up, less unproductive whining and more productive reasoning is what I was looking for.

                PS  I haven't decided who to support in the upcoming primary.  Whining that the establishment has ordained Casey isn't going to help me decide.

                •  My last post should be rated unproductive (none / 1)

                  Yes, my last post was mainly unproductive snark and not productive discussion and should be rated accordingly.
                •  er, yeah (none / 0)

                  Let me recap for you:

                  1.  Chuck posts here w/ a pretty rude "campaign trail story."
                  2.  He includes his usual statement on his own progressive bona fides.
                  3.  He says that true progressives ought to give him a look becuase Casey is not progressive.
                  4.  Many here tell him to "fuck off."

                  And what do you say?

                  "The treatment of Chuck P. on this blog by some is disgusting."

                  Where's the proof of that?  From your statement you would think that someone accused Chuck of mistreating small animals and children.

                  (my emphasis added)

                  How's this for starters?

                  God Dammit (1.80 / 15)

                  Chuck, if you fuck this primary up and rally a bunch of anti-Casey support, thus eroding his large margin  over Santorum, you will do more damage than you ever could have imagined.

                  I'm all about competitive primaries, but right now, the only candidate who is polling @ levels that will  BEAT Santorum by a whopping 14+ points is Casey.

                  Already a great number of Kossacks have failed to realize what this race means. If Santorum pulls off a victory here, it will be the biggest loss in '06. He's the highest ranking Republican up for re-election, and make no mistake, he will run for president some time in the future if he isn't stopped.

                  This isn't JUST about getting a seat that leans left in PA--this is about defeating Santorum.

                  by DrBathroom on Thu Aug 25th, 2005 at 13:19:09 CDT

                  A comment that YOU rated a "4"!

                  You are pathetic.  Chuck P comes here.  Folks tell him to "get the fuck out."  I say that's rude. And you call ME whiny.

                  I hope that you are a covert antagonist for Chuck P, doing reverse-psychology fundraising, becuase you just got $20.01 for his campaign.

                  John McCain a/k/a John Sidney "Grampy McSame"

                  by MRL on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 04:53:41 AM PDT

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      •  PAC money (4.00 / 5)

        Casey accepts PAC money, Chuck doesn't.  If you check how much of Casey's funds came directly from PAC's, it's in $5000 increments.  Because Chuck is a staunch supporter of campaign finance reform he doesn't accept PAC money, and that has hurt his fund raising totals.  

        What Chuck has been doing is going out and actually speaking to and listening to voters.  Casey refuses to campaign or discuss his stands on the issues.

        Money doesn't always win elections, talking WITH the voters does.

        Pennacchio for Pennsylvania

        by PAprogressive on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 01:01:05 PM PDT

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      •  I'm sorry for you... (4.00 / 7)

        That you cannot take a candidate "seriously" because of the 'fundraising'.

        I understand all and well that it takes money, but it also takes a lot more than that for some. We need to start listening to what people have to offer other than the fucking bottom line on their financial statements if we ever truly hope to be effective in enacting change.

        If you pull the dollar signs out of your eyes, listen to what he has to say without wringing your hands about money, and like what he has to say, then do something about it. Donate, talk, spread the word and campaign.

        If you still don't support his views, then at least you took the time to listen, and can better direct your efforts to a different candidate.

        The whole argument that he can't win because of his 'fundraising' and that we shouldn't even entertain his views here is...rather fucking pathetic, and is the exact train of thought I will gleefully help donate just to counter.

        When I crap, I always refer to it as "taking a Bush". - Underground Pirate of Crooks and Liars.

        by Disillusioned on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 01:15:56 PM PDT

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      •  No PAC money (none / 0)

        Pennacchio doesn't take PAC money. Casey is owned by it.
      •  So it's all about money? (none / 0)

        It is about the establishment raising money for Casey.
    •  What she said. (4.00 / 2)

      Run, Chuck, run!

      <waves at Juan>

    •  Knoll would try to upstage a coffin at a funeral (none / 0)

      At least she did when she went to a Marine's funeral (she didn't know the family) and started handing out her business cards.

      Story here.

  •  Good luck, Chuck (4.00 / 18)

    I see the usual crew of haters have showed up to this diary like they always do.  I hope you pay them no heed.

    I, myself, did not know that progressive candidates were in such limitless supply in this country that we can afford to insult and berate them for having the audacity to run for office.

    Best of luck to you in making a mark in Pennsylvania politics.

  •  go pennachio, go! (4.00 / 7)

    and thanks so much for keeping us updated here at dkos.  in case you have managed not to see it yet, the all santorum, all the time website is fantastic!

    www.santorumexposed.com

    their mission:  "To shine a light on the facts about Rick Santorum's extreme positions, failed policies and hypocritical statements -- and let the facts speak for themselves."

    and their ads feature a quote from a philadelphia enquirer article which says "one of the finest minds of the 13th century."

    good stuff!  just like you!

    "Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise." Thomas Paine, Common Sense

    by Cedwyn on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 09:18:30 AM PDT

  •  Does Casey need another surrogate campaigner? (3.29 / 17)

    Pat Robertson may have some free time soon.
  •  Is there some weird backstory (3.80 / 5)

    between Chuck Pennacchio and the netroots that I'm unaware of? There's always this tension, and sometimes outright hostility towards Chuck from some Kossacks that I've never understood. He seems like the kind of candidate the netroots falls in love with.

    Someone wanna fill me in?

    •  weird backstory (3.38 / 13)

      The masses would rather compromise their ideals and elect a DINO (Casey) who appeals to the anti-choice than support a true progressive who may not be an odds on favorite to unseat Santorum.

      Let them call me as rebel, and welcome, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul - Tom Paine

      by Mason Dixon on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 09:44:15 AM PDT

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      •  you sound a little partial (none / 1)

        :p

        Why wasn't the netroots behind Pennacchio from the beginning? Unless I have an inaccurate perception of both Chuck and Casey, it seems like a real no brainer which candidate online act