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huh? (none / 0)

Joe has always and consistently supported Bob Casey Jr. It was his belief that Bobby was the best candidate we had which persuaded him not to run in 2006 as he had been planning.
The notion, expressed by Mr. Pennacchio, that Joe has backed away from his support, is ludicrous.

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by Adam B on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 08:45:42 AM PDT

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- Very true (none / 0)
  
  As soon as Hoefell dropped out of the race, he threw his support behind Casey.
  
  John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for a century.
  
  by jkfp2004 on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 09:02:30 AM PDT
  
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- That is not what he said at all. Read it again. (none / 0)
  
  Hoeffel is open about Casey's stances on women's rights, he still is. Pennacchio appears to be saying that the two who are advocating for Casey need to get their stories straight.
  And he is right.
  
  "I'm willing to say things that are not popular but ordinary people know are right." Howard Dean
  
  by floridagal on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 09:07:13 AM PDT
  
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  - I did read it. (none / 0)
    
    "So, for Mr. Hoeffel to argue Mr. Casey is "progressive" on "all issues" other than choice is an extraordinary stretch. Such a stretch, in fact, that Mr. Hoeffel has mostly backed away from making such claims."
    
    Pass S. 223. Call Your Senators Today.
    
    by Adam B on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 09:08:12 AM PDT
    
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    - Ok... (4.00 / 7)
      
      Do you have a point? He doesn't say the Joe doesn't support Casey. It clearly says that Joe no longer says that Casey is "progressive on all issues other than choice". It's not that complicated.
      
      Blue Jersey: All the news that slips from print.
      
      by jmelli on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 09:10:42 AM PDT
      
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      - word... n/t (none / 0)
        
        I am proud to work for Chris Dodd's Presidential campaign
        
        by ttagaris on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 09:16:45 AM PDT
        
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      - Not only "word," but Chuck is right (4.00 / 7)
        
        Joe used to say that Choice is the only issue Casey is wrong on. Now that position has morphed into, "we might not agree on everything."
        Tim
        
        I am proud to work for Chris Dodd's Presidential campaign
        
        by ttagaris on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 09:17:49 AM PDT
        
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      - except (none / 0)
        
        I've seen no evidence of that anywhere.
        
        Pass S. 223. Call Your Senators Today.
        
        by Adam B on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 10:39:31 AM PDT
        
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        What haven't you seen evidence of? (none / 1)
        
        Casey's lack of progressive stances? Have you bothered to look?
        
        Blue Jersey: All the news that slips from print.
        
        by jmelli on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 10:51:15 AM PDT
        
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        I've seen his progressive stances (3.33 / 3)
        
        I haven't seen Joe Hoeffel back away from calling Casey a progressive.
        If every poster on this thread gave Chuck $5, it would be an above-average fundraising day.
        
        Pass S. 223. Call Your Senators Today.
        
        by Adam B on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 10:56:02 AM PDT
        
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        go ahead and list them (4.00 / 5)
        
        Chuck listed a bunch of issues where Bob is not a progressive:
        
        stem cell research
        
        death penalty
        
        U.S. policy in Iraq
        
        the assault weapons ban
        
        separation of church and state
        
        living wage legislation
        
        universal health care
        
        GLBT rights
        
        preserving an independent judiciary (Terry Schiavo case)
        
        drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
        
        I'm familiar with his stance on workers' rights. On which other issues IS he Casey progressive?
        
        Blue Jersey: All the news that slips from print.
        
        by jmelli on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 11:23:24 AM PDT
        
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        The point is... (4.00 / 2)
        
        Casey is NOT a progressive. He is FOR the Federal Defense of Marriage Act (Philly Daily News interview), was for invading Iraq, is a favorite son of the NRA, and is more for the death penalty than even santorum is. Watch the Worldview piece for his stand on stem cell research.
        
        Pennacchio for Pennsylvania
        
        by PAprogressive on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 12:34:57 PM PDT
        
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- Chuck Schumer (none / 1)
  
  actually said that they cleared the field for Casey by convincing the other candidates not to run. These quotes have been all over the internet.
  
  Pennacchio for Pennsylvania
  
  by PAprogressive on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 12:38:54 PM PDT
  
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  - In fundraising letters (none / 1)
    
    Chuck Schumer
    for the DSCC Schumer has been grotesque enough to brag on this accomplishment. Imagine my replies....
    
    by colleen on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 01:20:27 PM PDT
    
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    - Here's one of Schumer's statement:s (4.00 / 5)
      
      Taped at a private party:
      
      "So I called up Governor...our number one target is Rick Santorum...let him go back to wherever he lives, Maryland, you know you heard about it, he is Pennsylvania but he tried to get exempt from the school tax there cause he lives in Maryland even though he is a registered citizen of Pennsylvania. In any case I called up the Governor of Pennsylvania, Governor Rendell, I said who is the best candidate to beat Santorum. He there is only one person who could beat him but A he won't run and B you wouldn't want him to run. I said why wouldn't we want him to run, he said he's pro-life. He's a deeply religious Catholic man. Bob Casey."
      "I said, those days are over Ed. Yes I'm pro-choice, but we need the best candidate. We can't insist that every democrat check off 18 different issues before they get (unintelligible) we could do that, we can't anymore. And so, we persuaded, Harry using his very...Harry has amazing insights into people...and we together persuaded Bob Casey to run. A poll yesterday...national...all the polls they did...Casey 51 Santorum 40. You should see Santorum nervous and walkin on the floor."
      (unintelligible)
      "And we're doing this in the other states."
      A link to the audio of this bragging here.
      
      IMPEACH
      
      by Maria in Pgh on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 01:44:32 PM PDT
      
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      - so now women's constitutional rights (4.00 / 2)
        
        are just one of 18 things democrats shouldn't have to check off on a list to be able to run.
        Schumer is an asshole. I hoep NYS runs an actual democrat for senate one of these days.
        
        Unseen Gore Video
        
        by TeresaInPa on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 02:45:09 PM PDT
        
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- Ludicrous? (none / 0)
  
  I didn't read, in CHuck's statement, that Hoeffel has backed away from supporting Casey, only that Hoeffel has backed away from calling Casey a progressive. Are you defending Hoeffel and supporting Casey, because I have not made up my mind yet in the 8th. Congressional district who I'm supporting. But I have decided to support Pennacchio, as have MOST of the progressive activists I know who live in the district you are running in. We should talk some time. I'd like to get to know you better.
  
  by robkallopednews on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 02:31:16 PM PDT
  
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  - mistaked the sender, who's a supporter, a (none / 0)
    
    I misread the supportive remark about Patrick Murphy on the commentor's signature as the signature of Patrick Murcphy. oops.
    
    by robkallopednews on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 03:00:28 PM PDT
    
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- Bobby? (none / 0)
  
  Okay, lol.
  "Joey" hasn't always been behind Casey, in fact he was going to run against him until he was talked out of it by Rendell and other party insiders. "Joey" is being a good soldier because he thinks it will help him in his next race. Unfortunately most of his support the last time he ran is going to be turned off by his new found insider loyalty since last time he ran (and did well considering Spector is pro-choice and also has the support of the biggest union in the state).
  
  Unseen Gore Video
  
  by TeresaInPa on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 02:40:42 PM PDT
  
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  - "Bobby" (none / 0)
    
    That's what people who know him call him.
    Joe was never going to run once Casey announced. It would be futile, and he was smart enough to know that a repeat of the 2000 Dem Primary made sense for no one.
    
    Pass S. 223. Call Your Senators Today.
    
    by Adam B on Thu Aug 25, 2005 at 07:38:31 PM PDT
    
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